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Bill Frist: 'There will likely be a public plan as a backup'

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Bill Frist has been keeping busy these days. Between chatting up former colleagues on both sides of the aisle about healthcare reform and heading up the acquisitions, divestitures and portfolios for his Nashville-based investment firm, Cressey & Company, the cardiac surgeon and former Republican Senator from Tennessee is also promoting awareness of atrial fibrillation. He has also been an advocate for children's health around the world, pushing for investments in such resources as clean water and vaccines.

FierceHealthcare caught up with the ex-Senate Majority Leader yesterday and asked him to elaborate on some of his efforts, as well as his views on healthcare reform.

FierceHealthcare: On a scale of one to 10, with 10 being an absolute certainty, what do you think are the chances of a reform bill getting passed with most of its objectives in tact? 

Bill Frist: Ten. A reform bill will be passed. It will be significant. It will be in the range of $900 billion. It will have a very positive insurance reform. It will address issues of pre-existing illness so that people are not unfairly denied insurance. It will not go so far as to allow people to shop across state lines for insurance, unfortunately, but it will have very good reform in there that will make the way we get our insurance much, much fairer. 

With the sort of end goals in tact, those people who want to get 46 million people insured who are uninsured today--they will not be able to do that. I predict maybe 20 million of the 46 million people will be insured or have access to an insurance policy. We don't have enough money to do 46 million people; 10 million to 11 million of those 46 million are immigrants from other countries, many of whom are illegal. Fifteen million of them already have an insurance policy, but they just haven't signed up for it, so we'll have about 20 million people who will be insured. 

There will not be a public plan on the forefront, but there likely will be a backup public plan if the private sector doesn't step up in that area. There will likely be a public plan as a backup, and they haven't put that out yet, but I predict at the end of the day that that will be part of the plan. 

FH: Are you, yourself involved in any political efforts with regards to reform? 

BF: No political efforts, but a lot of policy efforts. I am no longer in elected politics, and so most of my work is focusing on substantive policy. I speak to both the Democratic leadership and the Republican leadership from the standpoint of someone who's spent over 20 years in medicine as a practicing physician, as a scientist who has written 100 peer-reviewed papers, and as an interested party, having been a United States senator. I've stayed active there, continued to speak and debate the issues themselves, and continued to write on the issues themselves in domestic healthcare policy. 

I also do a lot of global healthcare policy focusing on children, women and maternal mortality around the world. 

FH: Speaking of which, I noticed that earlier this week you asked for world leaders to put children's health on the agenda for next week's G-20 summit in Pittsburgh. 

BF: Yes. The linkages between health productivity, quality of life, cost, access, all of these issues, in many ways come back to the healthcare of our children both here in the United States and around the world. Today we know that about 10,000 children around the world die every day, two-thirds of which die of easily preventable causes--not high-tech problems, not expensive problems, not [things that are] sophisticated to hospital and to care units, but of simple things like lack of a vaccine, or lack of clean water, or lack of a penny's worth of antibiotics to treat pneumonia. And a lot of people don't realize that, because they think the investment is going to be very heavy. So, one of the things that I'm encouraging nations to do--because the future of these countries who are in Pittsburgh this week very much depends on a healthy, productive workforce--is focus on things like clean water, like vaccines, like oral re-hydration for treatment of diarrhea, etc., to encourage them to invest there. We know that the payout is huge for promoting a productive, healthy workforce in the future. 

FH: I understand that both your older brother and your brother-in-law have struggled with Atrial Fibrillation, a cause that you currently are trying to raise awareness for; why do you think that AFib is becoming so important in this day in age? 

BF: Atrial Fibrillation is understood by medical professional teams as well as individuals [as a] condition in which the upper chambers of the heart, they beat in a really uncoordinated and disorganized fashion. It can come and go, it's a little bit difficult to diagnose; different people diagnose it different ways. Therefore, a lot of people who have it don't know it, and it decreases their productivity in life. It makes [those affected] much more prone to stroke, much more prone to accelerate other types of heart disease like cardiovascular disease, heart failure and the like. This particular initiative--it touches, as you said, two people in my immediate family, [people] above 60 years of age [and] about one out of 10 people--it's a growing problem and a growing challenge because the older people get, the more they're likely to get it. By the time somebody's 80, their chance of getting it has doubled, compared to people who are 60 years of age. 

The overall instance of it is going to double over the next 30 years--in terms of the numbers of people it'll go from about 2.6 million people to 5.2 million people--so it's a growing problem, and it's an expensive problem. It increases the incidences of stroke by five times, and stroke as you know is very, very expensive to manage. If we can diagnose atrial fibrillation earlier and treat it more appropriately, we prevent that stroke, and by preventing that stroke and the re-hospitalizations associated with that, you lower the cost of healthcare. 

FH: How much do you anticipate this actually lowering the cost of healthcare? 

BF: If you sort of walk through it, morbidity-wise, we know [there would be] a huge impact because people with atrial fibrillation had five times the incidences of stroke [as people without atrial fibrillation]. In terms of mortality, people with atrial fibrillation had twice the chance of dying at any point in time compared to somebody without atrial fibrillation. In terms of quality of life, a lot of people go around with depression, with mood swings and being dispirited because they don't really realize they have atrial fibrillation....The medical costs for an atrial fibrillation patient end up being about five times what they are for somebody without it (currently, the annual cost for treating the disease is $6.65 billion, with the potential to reach $15.7 billion per year). If, through aligning the interests, bringing all the people together we are, establishing the protocols, making sure that both patients or potential patients as well as the caregivers adhere to those protocols, we can probably cut that cost in half over time. That's a huge cost savings for a particular chronic disease, and we know that 75 percent of all the spending in healthcare today is on chronic diseases. 

FH: What sort of a message would you like to try to get across to our readership, in particular? 

BF: First of all, just so I can mention it up front, I would like to encourage all of them to go to the website, which is AFStat.com. The overall goal of this initiative that we have underway is to improve patient outcomes; to improve the quality of healthcare by promoting this change and understanding in attitudes, ultimately to change behavior to enhance atrial fibrillation understanding and management. So it's an educational process, both for the care providers, as well as the general population. We want to facilitate atrial fibrillation education among patients and others, and that's going to require dissemination of important information that people can't get to. 

We've found very early on that people say 'well, I have atrial fibrillation and I go to the web and I hear all sorts of things, but I can't tell what's real and what's not; what's good for me, what's not. I've tried this, I've tried that.' What we want to do is make that process much easier. We want to be able to say 'these are the things that need to be done; these are the people you need to see; this is the team of people that is available for you.' So you align everybody's interests around improving the quality of life of that patient with atrial fibrillation....What that accomplishes is pulling together resources to support those patients. When you have so much waste, so much misuse, so much misdiagnoses, so many missed cases out there-it ends up costing the healthcare system a huge amount of, not fraud, but waste and abuse. That money clearly can be captured so that the resources that are out there, as well as new resources, can be directed at that individual patient who is either at risk for atrial fibrillation or has it already. It really boils down to the starting point of having a disease, a condition, that is really misunderstood both by the healthcare profession and the population, at large. 

FH: You've been a partner with investment firm Cressey & Company since 2007-in your opinion, what are the most lucrative healthcare investments to make these days? 

BF: I approach systems change in the following way: Government sets the framework, and that's what we're going through right now--what are the rules going to be around healthcare, healthcare delivery?--that's being defined right now by Washington, DC, and then it will be implemented over the next two to four years (very similarly to what we did with the prescription drug bill in 2003). The real important aspect of the implementation is not government, it is the private sector. It's real people out there creating answers in a creative dynamic constantly adjusting away, always looking for quality, always looking for value-and that can only be done by markets; it can only be done in the private sector. So where I focus in terms of my current fund with Cressey is on health services delivery, where we can improve access for individuals, where we can improve quality--especially value--and where we can lower costs for the consumer. The private sector can do that because in healthcare there's so much waste, there's so much abuse. Coming back to atrial fibrillation, there's a lot of mistreatment because people don't know exactly how to treat it. There's over treatment. There's under treatment. People are getting oblations when they should be on medicines. People are getting the wrong medicines. But once you look at that, you realize that all of that waste just churns out extra money that you can invest. So in the private sector, just as a quick example, we're looking today at this problem of re-admissions after Medicare. About 20 percent of people who've been hospitalized for Medicare end up back in the hospital within 30 days. It also happens with atrial fibrillation, and it's a big part of our AFStat conference, to focus on that to make sure we're getting appropriate care. 

What a company can do is set care coordinators up. They start in the hospital; they follow through the patient's transition out of the hospital; they transition and interact with the home healthcare people; and they continue for about two months. So a whole company can be set up to focus on that. It's efficient, they can cut those readmissions from 20 percent down to 3 percent, and they do so by making a reasonable return on their investment. So that's where the private sector comes in, is to create more value in a healthcare system. Not more volume, but more value, and that's where our focus is.

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This guy is supposed to be a Republican? What a loser! Guys like this have ruined the GOP. This party had better grow some stones or a third party will rise. Does no one in DC notice the Tea Party rallies and the anti-health reform town meetings?

He is a Republican...but he's also an educated, intelligent physician and healthcare professional who recognizes that simply objecting to healthcare reform and policy change on the basis of partisan politics and outrageous, unfounded hyperbole is irresponsible and frankly, dangerous. Most reasonable people recognize that our current healthcare system is flawed and ultimately unsustainable. What to do about it is a topic for legitimate, respectful debate. Tea parties that object with hateful rhetoric and slanderous insults without suggesting a viable alternative are pointless and unproductive. They represent the fringe; the unreasonable and the uninformed. Washington knows it, and that's why you don't see them having a big impact on any of the good work that is going on to actually make this country a better place to live; where we take seriously the health of all Americans and recognize that there is more that we can and should be doing.

No question about the adverse effects of bad health on productivity, the economy and quality of life. He's the second Republican I've read sharp enough to make the connection.
Good to see.

Don't ever question Bill Frist's republicanism. He is a very good one, and he is smart enough to recognize a problem and work to correct it. Republicans know that the health care system needs to be improved.

He is still not answering the most important question, where are we going to get the $900 billion?

Hey Anonymous! Try getting your head out of your posterior. What more (exactly) should we be doing with your tax money (and ours) that we're not doing? Perhaps you'd like to give all of your "earned income" to the government to squander? "Healthcare" for all is not only an impossibility on the public dime; it's completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL. And that is what the tea parties are about. Your remarks demonstrate that you are part of the "uninformed". Get informed (by not listening to mainstream media which is completely bought and paid for; as is Congress)before it's too late for you and for the rest of us.

Good intentions don't mean anything. Everyone wants more access, coverage, and a better price. How we get there is the big dispute.

Many of these items have been tried in Massachusetts and Tennessee. The costs exploded and wait times increased. This will be no different. It will become "too big to fail" and be another Fannie Med bailout taxpayer drain.

It is naive thinking to suggest otherwise. People want the change, but they don't want to pay for the change. Charging the taxpaying people who are already paying for a policy more so those who aren't paying anything won't work. It can't be free.

Look at the SIZE of this debt that we have no plans to pay off:

$11,841,599,306,628.00

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

And one must ask: How does Frist "KNOW" there will be passage of a healthcare bill? Is it because he is a consummate "insider". Hey Bill; how is that HCA money working for you and yours? Probably a lot better than the pseudo "healthcare" junk your friends on the hill are going to push down everyone's throat. Bill Frist is part of the eugenics club. "Value" is code for rationing. When will the American sheople finally wake up? And why is he pushing this atrial fibrillation? So that he can make more money off of burning (cauterizing) people's hearts and selling them (toxic) "medicines" which have been given the FDA's (wink/nod) approval? Until such time the "medicines" harm/kill enough people and then the big pharma that's responsible gets a wrist slap in court years and years later after the bulk of their profits have been made? WHEN WILL the SHEOPLE WAKE UP??

Dear Bill Frist,

I appreciate your efforts and your experience in the healthcare arena. I don’t know if you are open to new ideas, but could you agree that a strong Public Option in the Senate bill would begin to put the health insurance industry into a proper role vis a vis our economy and our healthcare system? We all have been brainwashed by that industry and by Wall Street. I think insurance should only be allowed for catastrophic and chronic conditions, similar to disability and life insurance – it should not be used as a platform for resource-wasting middleman who are sucking our economy dry.

Insurance needs to resign itself to a reduced role in healthcare - it belongs on the periphery - NOT in the center of our system - its goal is profit, not our health – they do not create anything but scams and paperwork / computer software systems. Doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics and the American citizens ARE about health – they should be the drivers in the system. Let’s stop the craziness.

I have worked in healthcare data, health insurance reimbursement and quality reporting for over 18 years in a multi-state not-for-profit health system. I know the health insurance games and the cost games hospitals have to play as a result. I know how / why doctors, medical tech companies and clinics have raised their prices so much to play the insurance game, becoming co-conspirators in the "I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine" game the Insurance Companies have developed with various constituencies.

Look at the history of Wellpoint to get an idea of their methods and goals – health is a convenient target for them – it taps into people’s fears and vulnerability and huge quantities of money are being made. Why isn’t Congress analyzing the cost savings if we were to cut Wellpoint’s activity down to true catastrophic insurance? If they could do that, they could save at least $3 billion/year (Wellpoint’s stated net income) from limiting just one insurance company. The Public Option will help restrain the power of excessive profit motives of companies like Wellpoint, who got rid of all the mutual, non-profit aspects of the companies they gobbled up in the last 10 years.

The BAUCUS BILL is lip-service to bipartisanship, because the Republicans are adamantly interested only in their political future – they can’t see that our economy needs to throw off the burden of big insurance profiteering in order to become healthy again. I am disappointed that they cannot see the forest for the trees and cannot accept their responsibility for much of the economic trouble we are in.

I totally agree with Jay Rockefeller and his discussion on the Charlie Rose show (9/17/09). Healthcare professionals vs Health Insurance - which one drives what costs is a very complicated issue. Most congresspeople don't understand it, let alone the general public. And that is what endangers the success of meaningful health reform – misunderstanding and lack of clarity. Jay Rockefeller "gets it". I hope that the President, you and other Doctors appreciate his knowledgebility and take his lead. Bill Moyers and Howard Dean are other people who understand the various angles of the healthcare debate and what is good for the American citizens and our economy.

Clearly some people who watch the FOX NEWS rather than do their own diligence and look at the facts, vehemently oppose to anything that resembles healthcare reform. The laternative to not doing anyhting right now is a disaster. Also, the so called people with coverage, most of whom, thankfully haven't been through the contours of present day healthcare, think that they have the best and don;t need to worry. This the one of the biggest fallacies... that they are covered. Well, once you get a any serius illness like cancer, you and your families fortunes are probably done, becasue the currently "rationing" insurance company WILL tell you that you have reached the maximum of 1 Million lifetime limit and now that you are on your own.

Second, lets say you had a good covreage with your employer, and then during that time you did have a cronic condition develop. God forbid now that you had a to wsitch jobs for whatever reason. You are screwed again...what was coverable with your previous insurer will be the reason that you cannot get insurance, period...that pesky Pre-Existing Condition. The insurance has to be able to go with you(transferability).

And finally, if the costs keep going up, and companies keep dropping them, and individuals keep losing insurance and realize more of what they make goes to pay insurance premiums, that will be the biggest atxes on individuals than you can ever imagine,,,its already happening. I am willing to pay taxes now to curb costs than hope for miracles or wait for the insurance companies to correct this.

And finally it is a matter of morality and social equality. Health, like education, should be a right, not a privilege, and its especially shameful for a country like ours to have millions uninsured. Otherwise the social unrest that can result from ignoring social responsibilities now can truly cost the peace and the foundation of this nation, which will be tragic.

And, we should all accept the fact that one way or the other the law of the land, provides for care (mostly in emergncy rooms across the country)whether or not they have insurance, and we all pay for it one way or the other, so I don't understand the point of opposing universal coverage.

And lastly, I would argue that Health care of individuals should be as importnat as the defense of the country. In that spirit, for obvious reasons as we cannot contract out or outsource or military/defense, Healthcare administration should not be for a profit business. Just like the defense industry, innovation of high tech weapons is left for the private sector, so should the innovation of new drugs and technology be left to private companies. But for administering health insurance..I don't think so..making profit as middleman between Doctors and patients seems morally wrong.

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